British Columbians have an opportunity to reject outright a new proportional representation electoral system, forever.
A couple of quotes to start us off
Premier John Horgan – ““If you were woke you would know prop rep is lit.” – Gee John did Andrew suggest that?
MLA Linda Larson – “If this is confusing just vote NO..”
A couple of questions for you Andrew
- Was this not voted on by electors in BC twice before and it failed
- What state, province or district in Mexico, USA or Canada is using this “funny” system. .
- Germany and New Zealand used as examples by Andrew.
- Are we to reject the system that elected Dave Barrett, Mike Harcourt and Glen Clark, WAC Bennett or his son William the junior?
Ok lets bite into this conundrum.
Who wants this? Green, socialists – who??
FPTP has been good for the NDP. The party of three people that runs BC at the moment wants this new system to gain strength. This idea must be defeated. If John Horgan won a majority I could support it. If Christy Clark had won a majority I could support it. If Mr. Weaver ever wins a majority I could support it.
The truth is the Liberal Party of BC got the highest level of public support in the last election but has been “snafu”ed by a 3 member party of tree huggers hell bent on getting their way. And they are doing just that. Until the government falls, the numbers change or the 4 year mandate is up – we are stuck with this craziness.
We need a clear choice of a majority government.
Andrew Frank talks to who is supporting the NO side. Let’s talk to who is supporting the YES side. Same $$ limits under the law of the land and supervision of Elections BC.
You can say big business is against this and bigger Labour is for this or… or… or.
Notice the comments here – no big business indicated just people totally against something new, never tested here.
AND if adopted by 10 percent of the eligible voters. Then the government of the day will proclaim it as godly served. This can be changed with a 50% plus 1 of the eligible voters.
Different strokes for different folks
I will quote my self – our present system is the best in the world and used by most democracies. It was good for Kennedy, it was good for Churchill. Why not me? Why not you?
No Matter Your Political Stripe, Proportional Representation Will Be Better For The Things You Care About
British Columbians have an opportunity to try out a new proportional representation electoral system, risk-free, for two elections.
If you didn’t tune into last Thursday’s debate on electoral reform, don’t worry, you didn’t miss much: two guys yelling over each other, trying to score political points.
More than anything, it was a powerful testament to how badly our province needs to adopt a voting system based on proportional representation. This is because our current voting system produces polarizing debates like the one we saw on Thursday night, and a dysfunctional system of seesaw government where political parties take turns throwing each other out of office and undoing each other’s policies. It’s a zero-sum, winner takes all system that isn’t doing much good for anyone.
Contrast this with a country like New Zealand – very similar to Canada in many ways – which adopted proportional representation in the 1990’s. Today, New Zealand’s coalition government consists of parties from across the political spectrum. In forming government, these parties have had to consult with each other and make compromises on important issues ranging from farmers’ rights and immigration policy, to climate change and cannabis legalization. They now share governance, with ministry roles in finance, foreign affairs and environment going to members of the different political parties.
Imagine a BC coalition government where the Minister of Finance might be a Conservative with extensive business experience, the Minister of Health could be a Liberal with impressive medical credentials, the Minister of Environment could be a Green with a PhD in climate science, and the Minister of Jobs and Trade might come from the Labour movement. The end result would be a government that better represented the values and interests of a larger number of British Columbians, and made better use of the wide expertise of our citizens who choose to run for politics.
Proportional representation isn’t all sunshine and rainbows. Political parties will still disagree and we’ll have important and heated debates as a society about the things we care about, as we should. What will change, however, is the fact that we will need to find a way forward together. This is a good thing, because for all of our differences, we also share a lot of common sense, and in places that use proportional representation, policies that make common sense tend to become non-partisan.
For example, renewable energy is not a partisan issue in Germany. The vast majority of Germans support it, and as a result, Germany has become the world’s first major renewable energy economy, with almost half of all renewable energy production owned by German citizens themselves. A recent 2017 national survey showed that 95% of Germans support further expanding renewable energy. All of this happened because a coalition government was elected through proportional representation in the 1990’s, and it created a national renewable energy policy that has been carried on by all governments since then, regardless of political stripe.
Even for the issues on which we disagree strongly, proportional representation can offer us better representation. For example, take the national park issue, where citizens on both sides of the debate have felt underrepresented by their provincial and/or federal representatives at one time or another. People feel like their voices are not being heard. Under a proportional representation system, there would be multiple MLAs representing our electoral region, and both opponents and supporters of the park could elect representatives who would carry their voices to the provincial legislature.
There is one group that thinks it won’t benefit from proportional representation: those who are already powerful. Financial donors to the No side include government lobbyists and the wealthy elites who employ them. These are the people who prefer things the way they are. The idea of citizens having more control over the political system scares them. More political power to citizens means more control over the things that affect our lives, including taxes, housing, wages, healthcare, resource revenues, you name it.
At the end of the day, proportional representation means that if you earn 30% of the vote, you get 30% of the seats, and 30% of the power. It’s that simple. It also means citizens will be motivated to create new political parties representing issues that matter to them. This means we will have more political choices to choose from, and while we might not agree with each other’s politics, we can strongly agree on each other’s right to better representation.
When proportional representation was brought to a referendum vote in New Zealand, many politicians were opposed to the new system because they feared the unknown. After the system was adopted in 1996, many changed their position, preferring the new system for the same reason citizens liked it: improved dialogue, transparency and consultation between political parties and the public. Subsequently, a strong majority of New Zealanders voted again in 2011 to keep the system. Today, the BC government is offering us a risk-free, two-election trial of a new system, meaning that if we don’t like it after two elections, we will have the opportunity to go back to the way things were through a second referendum. What do we have to lose?
The next time someone tells you to vote “No” to proportional representation, ask yourself what’s in it for them. In the meantime, do yourself a favour by voting today and mailing in your ballot before the November 30th deadline. This is a chance to give yourself more power over the things that matter to you, regardless of your politics.
For more information on the referendum on electoral reform, visit Elections BC: https://elections.bc.ca/referendum
Andrew Frank is a former Oliver resident and an instructor in the
School of Business, and the Faculty of Science and Horticulture, at Kwantlen Polytechnic University
On this day at the eleventh hour one hundred years ago, the guns fell silent. It was time to count the dead and start returning people to what was once their home. The war was over but there were lessons to be learned. Many of the decisions made to ensure such misery was not repeated, created the very foundations of discontent that led to conflict at an even greater level.
It does not matter if you are a conscientious objector or a decorated veteran, today is not a holiday. It is a day of somber reflection. Its the day set aside to remember what happens when people no longer see value in human rights and civility.
The ugliness of war does not lie in the fact, that horrors are committed and people die on the battlefield. The ugliness of war lies in the fact that human beings still can’t deal with conflicting issues before they reach the state of war. It is said oh we can’t do much when a tyrant takes control.
Well that is not altogether true.
Prior to WWII the west including Canada sold products and scrap metal to nations that would prove to be our enemies. Open a history book anyone could see there were nations building for war and we did nothing until it was time to ask our youth to die. The trouble is we couldn’t stop them from taking power but we could have done more in other areas. And today we continue to sell arms to tyrants and those would be nations that do not share our values. Nations that are dangerous to the cause of peace and democracy.
By the same token some say we should not have gone to war period.
Today we seem to be applauding the people who would make a mockery out of what our nation stood for. Our young men and women stood in harms way to defend the principles our nation has always stood for. They didn’t go overseas to fight for some principles, or to pick and choose one right over another. Canada did not send troops to two world wars and a dozen or more conflicts since so we at home can accept their gift of sacrifice in order to have an extra days shopping at the mall.
When it comes to standing in the cold today and remembering it should not be regarded as an obligation, it should be regarded as a privilege, our way to say thank you.
Some time ago I had one of my privileged generation say. Oh the war, that was so long ago, why don’t we just let it go? Well my friends in large part, we have.
The sad fact is the tyrants are are already plotting in Brazil, Europe, the Philipinnes and some say south of our own boarder. When we forget, the tyrants do not. John F Kennedy once said when tyrants and hostile actions go unchecked and unchallenged it ultimately leads to war.
A more immediate way to look at this is to remember who the people were that served. They were in many cases the foundation of the family you have today. Would you be so rude to your grand father or grand mother? Today is the most important day to be civil and respectful to those who were a whole lot braver than you and I will ever have to be.
Lest We Forget
God of our fathers, known of old,
Lord of our far-flung battle-line,
Beneath whose awful Hand we hold
Dominion over palm and pine—
Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet,
Lest we forget—lest we forget!
The tumult and the shouting dies;
The Captains and the Kings depart:
Still stands Thine ancient sacrifice,
An humble and a contrite heart.
Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet,
Lest we forget—lest we forget!
Far-called, our navies melt away;
On dune and headland sinks the fire:
Lo, all our pomp of yesterday
Is one with Nineveh and Tyre!
Judge of the Nations, spare us yet,
Lest we forget—lest we forget!
If, drunk with sight of power, we loose
Wild tongues that have not Thee in awe,
Such boastings as the Gentiles use,
Or lesser breeds without the Law—
Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet,
Lest we forget—lest we forget!
For heathen heart that puts her trust
In reeking tube and iron shard,
All valiant dust that builds on dust,
And guarding, calls not Thee to guard,
For frantic boast and foolish word—
Thy mercy on Thy People, Lord!
It’s that time of year again, we wear our poppy with pride and gather at the Cenotaph to watch the Legion present the colours and the laying of dozens of poppy wreaths.
How many of us actually gather there to remember what these symbols really mean. We repeat the words “lest we forget” but how many of us do forget within five minutes of leaving the ceremony?
The veterans on parade are often quite elderly, especially those from WW2, the horror of their memories, of experiencing comrades dying in front of them must haunt them constantly and I am sure their past wars are not just remembered on this one day of the year.
The younger men and women from more recent conflicts also have the memories that nightmares are made of, many of them suffering from PTSD who can never lead a completely normal life again.
Our world leaders make decisions that send thousands of men and women out to war zones in a way that a child plays with soldiers. Do they really think about the consequences of arming soldiers and sending them out to kill. What sort of victory is it when the battle may be won but a whole nation suffers the consequences of having so many citizens crippled either mentally of physically.
It is true that we should try to defeat our enemies but it is also true that those who we call our enemy have their own ideals, they may differ from ours but does that necessarily make them wrong?
World leaders just seem to be playing king of the hill, whoever gets to the top of the pile first wins, but are they really thinking about the consequences of what they are doing. Nothing ever seems to be actually solved by war, it just seems to slow down to a simmer until next time it heats up and boils over.
World leaders never seem to agree on how to solve conflicts peacefully, it honestly seems to be a case of play the game my way or I will take the ball and go home. The biggest bully wins. How many of these people in power have truly known the horror of war close up, how many have felt shrapnel falling on them or have had a friend die in their arms.
It is easy to parade round wearing a poppy but not so easy to truly remember, when you were never in the battle.
9:45 am – Assemble prior to this start time at the Oliver Community Centre for an indoor inter-denominational service
10:30 am – March to the Cenotaph
10:55 am – Cenotaph Service
Following Ceremonies – Navy tea presented at the Upper Hall – Oliver Legion Branch and a free show for the kids…………
at Oliver Theatre at 4:30 pm
Art work – OES students
Thanks for access:
Jason McAllister and Maria Cancela and also
Lori Martine (choir master and trumpeter), Pianist Kelan Harty, Chris Yerburgh and the Honour Guard of the RCL Branch 97 for Thursday school services)
The BC Government hopes to save one billion on reduced legal costs on ICBC claims
Government has released regulations on the auto insurance product changes announced earlier this year, increasing care for injured people while helping ICBC return to financial sustainability.
The regulations establish items including:
- updated treatment fees and types of treatments covered by ICBC, such as acupuncture and counselling, effective April 1, 2019, for both new and existing claims;
- new and increased accident benefits, such as wage loss, will come into effect for accidents occurring on or after April 1, 2019;
- the complete definition of a minor injury as it relates to payouts for pain and suffering, building on the legislated definition;
- treatment protocol guidelines for examination, assessment, diagnosis and treatment of minor injuries to provide more consistent care for people injured in a crash; and
- using registered care advisors as a new resource to support physicians.
These changes to ICBC’s accident benefits will cost an estimated $200 million annually. This will be offset by an estimated saving of $1.2 billion per year through reduced legal costs, a limit on payouts for pain and suffering for minor injuries and a new dispute resolution model, resulting in projected net savings of $1 billion annually.
The season of wonders and good will
When the days getting shorter and one thinks of cozy evenings we’re getting ready to wow you out of your comfy couches and lazyboys to this awesome event!
Can’t almost believe it that our Oliver community has supported and loves this pre Christmas event for the 42 years. You guessed right, it’s the Oliver Arts and Craft Show which starts Friday November 16th from 10 am till 6 pm and the next day Saturday from 10 am till 4 pm.
There is no entry fee but, like in years past, we do take donations for our local food bank, either cans or cash, thank you already.
We will be presenting a wide array of wares with quite a few new vendors, old favourites still have their spotlight too and lots in between. Remember that it’s all handmade by artisans in this region that sourced things locally. From Salsa and Chutney to handmade chocolate and rocks mined in the region to honey, pickles, hand carved spoons and baking! Also felted items(tea cosies, mittens or needle-felted ornaments) knitted socks, shawls, gloves and toques are on display.
Vintage jewelry, handcrafted soaps, glass ornaments, iron dinner bells, pottery and, of course, Christmas decorations all found their way into this event.
Did we mentioned all that fantastic quilting and sewing that’s been done for this? Tree skirts,baby blankets,purses,and wall hangings or just a fancy little or big bag. Table runners and placemats are here as well.
Last but not least, the kitchen this year will be handled by the Oliver Eats Deli and it sounds already very delicious. One more stop to check out!
A family friendly concert for all ages! Ballet Kelowna performs three dances from the Nutcracker! Bhangra dancers jingle! Handbells make the rafters ring in the Venables atrium! Oliver Dance Studio whirl and twirl onstage. Two choirs lift their voices in song! Talented siblings Kelan and Laura perform! A special SOAP Theatre preview of It’s a Wonderful Life! and a sing-along to Holly Jolly! Plus more new acts.
Mark the date for Holly Jolly Oliver: Sunday November 25 at 2;30 p.m. at Venables Theatre. Admission by DONATION with proceeds to the Oliver Food Bank. Refreshments available. Goodie bags for children. Bring your holiday spirit and have a jolly time!
Normally this would be covered in the Remembrance Day Report but I think it needs its own space and hopefully the editor agrees. Yes we are going to talk about sacrifice, loss, sorrow and all that it en-tales, but from a different perspective.
When we picture Remembrance Day the symbol of the Poppy looming large over the gravestones of the dead is what comes to mind. Long line of soldiers guns over their shoulder or troops in mud to their waist.
This piece is not about that aspect….. today we look at some of the bravest people on the battlefields and the seas.
One group that never got much consideration until recent years were the thousands of souls in the Merchant Marines. These people were for the most part sitting ducks for thousands of miles through open seas delivering supplies to Britain. For these people there is scant mention of them on the elevated pages of history, though their contribution was indispensable. For these brave people there were no flashy celebration of their efforts. Although considered a fourth branch of military service these brave souls were denied veterans coverage. It wasn’t the military that won the battle of the Atlantic it was the merchant navy and it took until 2003 before they were officially acknowledged for their bravery.
Another group with more guts than most of us could ever muster, were the medics that operated on the battlefield under fire. Imagine, tending to the wounds of dying men while shells were bursting around you coming from all directions. They came with the supplies needed and carried the wounded out on stretchers. Hundred of them lost their lives, some are credited with taking up arms to defend their wounded patients, and no one can deny their courage and sacrifice for our nation.
The last group is more controversial but for the human spirit amidst the ugliness of war, the Chaplain was essential.
I remember hearing stories of the chaplain service during WWII, but in Vietnam they were somewhat regarded as the villain. Some will remember the song by the Animals “Sky Pilot” Why mention that today? Well war and the social condition is related to the time in which we live and the events and visions but represent the truth of that time.
My favorite story about the Chaplain service took place during the Battle of the Bulge near Christmas 1944. The allied forces were surrounded and it was left to George Patton and his Third Army to rescue them. Yes he consulted with his senior command and field officers. The weather was foul and was to be that way for a week. Patton ordered they find a Chaplain who had a good relationship with God. When he arrived he ordered him to compose a prayer for good weather so the air force could supply air support for Patton to attack the enemy.
At the time Patton told the Chaplain, lets see if we can’t get God on our side for a bit.
The famous prayer is cited for changing the course of the war as the following morning sunshine defied the law of science.
There is the story of Rev. Joseph O’Callahan who stayed for three days aboard a burning ship tending to the wounded and putting out fires until help arrived.
Reverend George Bentz ordered a young seaman to take the Chaplain life preserver when they abandoned ship. Bentz knew what the outcome would be. There are dozens of stories out there of brave men who entered the frat to save lives or to inspire courage in others. We thank those in arms for their sacrifice and service and sometimes I think we miss the fact that victory is not won by the insignia of the force. Victory is won by the individual souls who believe in the cause and defended their bothers and sisters in arms on the battlefield.
Most are not thinking of being a hero at the time.
They are thinking about survival in the most horrid of conditions. This fact alone is what inspires ordinary men and women to do great things.
At the eleventh hour on the eleventh day we should keep all those who served in our prayers and our minds.
In honor of the ones who gave the ultimate sacrifice that we acknowledge on Remembrance Day, I’ve asked the owner of Oliver Daily News to share this story:
Honoring their Memory
It was a warm sunny day. The pleasant walk took these hikers past a veteran’s cemetery in Michigan. A large monument in that cemetery contained the engraved names of 225 men who had given their lives for their country. The future had lain before them as a life they hoped to enjoy but it was cut short. Their sacrifice was huge. It deserved thanks and respect.
However, stretched out on top of the monument was a young fellow in a sleeveless shirt, sunglasses and shorts catching the “rays”. On his stomach was a boom box belting out the latest hits. Undoubtedly he was enjoying the benefits of the day.
Think of it!
Below him were the names of some who had purchased his freedom to enjoy the day, even though they themselves would never have the opportunity to do so. Without their sacrifice life could have been very different for him but he seemed to be unaware and unthankful. Not a thought seems to have been given to what it cost to preserve his freedom. It is probably not too severe to call him disrespectful or even disgusting. Will this day be just a holiday for me?
(Taken from the May, 1981 account in a booklet called “our Daily Bread” in the local Grand Rapids news paper)
Back Row (left to right): Harjot Gill, Emma Cottam, Payton Matthews, Emily Bidmead
Back Row (left to right): Riya Chahal, Laura Harty, Kieran Bidmead, Kimveer Karwasra, Harjot Gill, Emma Cottom
Middle Row (left to right): Cassandra Morse, Navi Buttar, Mayera Soni, Ishmeen Buttar, Supreet Brar.
Middle Row (left to right): Kate Noftle, Jesse Casselman, Roland Oravec, Gurneet Tatla, Cassandra Morse, Navi Buttar.
Front Row (left to right): Selena Vala, Emily McCollum, Amy Bearman, Anissa Khodarahmi, Audrey Noftle
Front Row (left to right): Vanessa Whittall, Heera Buttar, Selena Vala, Emily McCollum.
Penticton: John Vassilaki, Jake Kimberly, Frank Regehr and Julius Bloomfield
Naramata: Karla Kozakevich
West Bench/Faulder: Riley Gettens
Summerland: Toni Boot and Doug Holmes* (new)
Oliver: Petra Veintimilla and Rick Knodel
Osoyoos: Sue McKortoff and Mark Pendergraft
Cawston: George Bush
Keremeos: Manfred Bauer and Tim Roberts
Princeton: Spencer Coyne and Bob Coyne
OK Falls, Heritage Hills: Ron Obirek
Kaleden, Apex: Subrina Monteith
Never before at the board: 10 of these – more than half of the total